1. New York Times: Transcript: Tressie McMillan Cottom Interviews Kiese Laymon for ‘The Ezra Klein Show’
My mentor who introduced me to the work of both Tressie McMillan Cottom and Kiese Laymon sent me this transcript of a conversation between the two writers, published in November 2021, with the simple instructions: “listen to this. Mind blown.” She was correct.
Filling in for Ezra Klein, Cottom, a professor at UNC-Chapel Hill and a New York Times Opinion writer, guests hosts and chose to interview Laymon. In her introduction, Cottom says, “I love talking to great artists who helped me make sense of the world, especially those who are wrestling with the same problems that vex all of us and who aren’t afraid to pour themselves onto the page in the process. Kiese Laymon is the most uncompromising artist I have had the pleasure of knowing.”
This conversation, like the one above, is steeped in meditations on memory, accountability, and perhaps what Laymon is most known for, his ethic of revision. Of his ethic, Laymon observes how “it is really hard to look back yesterday at something that we did that we don’t want to look at — on a very elementary level. I think a lot of us don’t even want to assess what we have done if we have potentially done something that is harmful. So we can’t even talk about revision if you don’t talk about the vision.”
My favorite thing about this interview, as with anything these two authors touch, is how much love and care are on display—something fully demonstrated here.